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Posts: 665October 2012 maybe you lot already discussed this but just reading bit more about it and starting to think that it will lead to much greater imbalance in the Premier League than it will solve. i am assuming it has been pushed by the likes of United who see their commercial superiority threatened by City but to be honest I would sooner see the likes of City and Chelsea spending cash than the much more business minded United and Real Madrid. In terms of the closed shop attitude that The Champions League has encouraged a team who are dominating the market commercially seem more of a worry than teams who have had an influx of cash. in fact that is something that has always gone on and some teams do well and gain stability from it and some mess up. but look at the facts even recently, the money City have spent seems to be spread a lot more around the top division than Uniteds ever has been. we have definitely benefited. there is argument that teams should all run the way businesses do, and I am glad Everton are run sensibly and still looking to bring players through ranks and spend sensibly where its needed, but it isn't just business, its part of the community. I think what is going on at United has nothing to do with community and everything to do with the way multi nationals run...squeeze the opposition until you dominate by default and can sell whateve sh it you want at any price you want...sell t shirts because your brand is known, players bought because of what they add to the brand not to the team. remember when Real turned down Ronaldhino in favour of Beckham because he would sell less t shirts, that is the attitude that will prevail indirectly when this ruling comes into force. it won't just be City, it will stop anyone investing in the blues unless it can be balanced over a financial year. it was a means of economics the Torys loved in 80s, you can't spend beyond your means and if you do you are punished. but the timescale is always false and suits their aims. can any of us buy a house over one financial year doesn't mean we shouldn't be living in them. if we are not careful we will just be puppets of United, Madrid, Bayern and the people who make money from the circus that surrounds them
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Posts: 1,518October 2012brett said:
maybe you lot already discussed this but just reading bit more about it and starting to think that it will lead to much greater imbalance in the Premier League than it will solve. i am assuming it has been pushed by the likes of United who see their commercial superiority threatened by City but to be honest I would sooner see the likes of City and Chelsea spending cash than the much more business minded United and Real Madrid. In terms of the closed shop attitude that The Champions League has encouraged a team who are dominating the market commercially seem more of a worry than teams who have had an influx of cash. in fact that is something that has always gone on and some teams do well and gain stability from it and some mess up. but look at the facts even recently, the money City have spent seems to be spread a lot more around the top division than Uniteds ever has been. we have definitely benefited. there is argument that teams should all run the way businesses do, and I am glad Everton are run sensibly and still looking to bring players through ranks and spend sensibly where its needed, but it isn't just business, its part of the community. I think what is going on at United has nothing to do with community and everything to do with the way multi nationals run...squeeze the opposition until you dominate by default and can sell whateve sh it you want at any price you want...sell t shirts because your brand is known, players bought because of what they add to the brand not to the team. remember when Real turned down Ronaldhino in favour of Beckham because he would sell less t shirts, that is the attitude that will prevail indirectly when this ruling comes into force. it won't just be City, it will stop anyone investing in the blues unless it can be balanced over a financial year. it was a means of economics the TorIEs loved in 80s, you can't spend beyond your means and if you do you are punished. but the timescale is always false and suits their aims. can any of us buy a house over one financial year doesn't mean we shouldn't be living in them. if we are not careful we will just be puppets of United, Madrid, Bayern and the people who make money from the circus that surrounds them
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sorry lol, couldn't resist, just wanted to prove that i bothered to read all that like
i agree with what you're saying but i have more respect for the likes of real and utd than i do for man_shitty
they have bought they're way to be a competitive team and still haven't brought enough success back for the cash they've spent like, they're a poor excuse of a footie team in my opinion, i hate ttem a lot more than the above, kin ell, i shouldnt have gone for them bevvies after work, i ave to be up at 6 and its already getting to me like, i',m already talking_shite -
Posts: 665October 2012jasonle41 said:
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sorry lol, couldn't resist, just wanted to prove that i bothered to read all that like
i agree with what you're saying but i have more respect for the likes of real and utd than i do for man_shitty
they have bought they're way to be a competitive team and still haven't brought enough success back for the cash they've spent like, they're a poor excuse of a footie team in my opinion, i hate ttem a lot more than the above, kin ell, i shouldnt have gone for them bevvies after work, i ave to be up at 6 and its already getting to me like, i',m already talking_shite-----------------
cheers for reading that rant and for the grammer correction. its not meant as attack on United as team or supporters in favour of likes of City or Chelsea/ but in terms of how it may stop any team developing through sensible investment, good management, loyal support, the commercial attitudes of United's business model and closed shop attitude of Champions League is much more of a block on success for the likes of Everton. massive foriegn investors would probably find way round it anyway, but a rich fan putting 20 million into the Blues might mean we punished -
Posts: 1,518October 2012brett said:
but a rich fan putting 20 million into the Blues might mean we punished
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in an ideal world we would get another bill kenwright but with LOADS more money -
Posts: 19,489October 2012 Fair play rules that allow city's owners to "sponsor" their own stadium... To boost their own revenue... Shockin...
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Posts: 1,518October 2012OldGoldenVision said:
Wage caps is what we need...-----------------
indeed
they get more than someone who's in charge countries/nations
that doesnt make sense
all they do is play footie at the end of the day, something we all love doing, even at our age (cough) take the game back to grass roots and start again, do a rangers on the whole footie world, sorted -
Posts: 24,179October 2012OldGoldenVision said:
Fair play rules that allow city's owners to "sponsor" their own stadium... To boost their own revenue... Shockin...
Wage caps is what we need...
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Posts: 665October 2012 i agreed to having my wage capped at about 25 grand a week sometime back...hasn't stopped me doing my best
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Posts: 1,424October 2012 good opening post brett and you do make a lot of good points.the financial fair play rules are supposed to level the playing field. i think that they have had some success because we are seeing fewer dramatic transfer than we were seeing a season or two ago.sheik mansour has told mancini that he has to sell to buy, and considering how much they bought for they can only sell at a huge loss. if at all. what if a player refuses to leave just to keep his ludicrously high pay packet? i wouldnt blame him and it would cost manc a fortune."but it isn't just business, its part of the community."it should be, but ticket prices are now so high that a large segment of the working community are excluded from going to matches anymore.we need to give the financial fair play rules more time, as i said i think we have seen some results in a reduction of huge transfers, and we should see more in the coming season.and never apologise for thinking. its a rare enough commodity as it is.
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Posts: 665October 2012 cheeers... always remember when would go watch Tranmere and how the supporters were watching with half a mind on who was going to be snapping up anyone who is too good. practical realitiy at that level when people couldn't really make a living from the game but ridiculous if we get to the point were only three or four teams in premiership can hold onto their players if they have a good season, especially when it means half those players are sitting on the bench somewhere for next four years. too many fans emerging now who talk about sell on value of players
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Posts: 473October 2012 Financial Fair Play is too little and too late. Teams spending massive amounts of money will still spend massive amounts of money as there initial investments have got them champions league football, increased the club stature and improved facilities which in turn has increased their income.Everton will be fine as we tend not to spend money we don't have.
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Posts: 1,424October 2012 "Teams spending massive amounts of money""Fifty per cent of clubs are losing money and this is an increasing trend. We needed to stop this downward spiral. They have spent more than they have earned in the past and haven't paid their debts. We don't want to kill or hurt the clubs; on the contrary, we want to help them in the market. The teams who play in our tournaments have unanimously agreed to our principles…living within your means is the basis of accounting but it hasn't been the basis of football for years now. The owners are asking for rules because they can't implement them themselves - many of them have had it with shovelling money into clubs and the more money you put into clubs, the harder it is to sell at a profit."the clubs recognise the danger of over-spending and are all in favour of financial fair play."From 2013-14 UEFA will be able to ban clubs from playing in European competitions the following season if the rules have not been met but it is not until 2018 that clubs will be expected to bring their annual losses below £8.8 million (based on 2010 exchange rates)" .it will take time to kick in but the long term effect will be to make clubs more responsible and more stable.
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