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France avoids austerity by raising taxes on the wealthy and big business!!!
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Posts: 16,909October 2012 If I won the euromillions I'd just be a rich chav
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Posts: 7October 2012 That sort of taxation is blatent theft, Hows this for a novel idea - cut benefits, sure some may have to give up their 20 a day smoking habit and get rid of sky TV, hell some people may even have to go out and get a job, and some, heaven forbid, may have to think twice about breeding and expecting the tax payer to keep them in nappies!
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Posts: 2,547October 2012bluebrother06 said:
That sort of taxation is blatent theft, Hows this for a novel idea - cut benefits, sure some may have to give up their 20 a day smoking habit and get rid of sky TV, hell some people may even have to go out and get a job, and some, heaven forbid, may have to think twice about breeding and expecting the tax payer to keep them in nappies!
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Which is not as easy as it sounds...... -
Posts: 1,537October 2012Knoxy2001e said:
Hurrrrrrr, commie_bullshit, blah
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Satirical mode = on
There is this thing called the "internet". It's this brilliant invention that allows people to access things from the comfort of their home. Brilliant, ehy? Better yet, this can be done from and to any location in the world. Have you heard of it? These French businessmen could manage their businesses over the internet. Or maybe they'd employ someone to manage it for them as for the sake of £30,000 a year they'd save much more avoiding the tax.
This is simple economics. It's the reason we don't tax footballers to the ground. Sure, they earn a tonne. However, if you tax them, the EPL will crash. They'll leave and play in Spain, Italy or France Germany, where they'll retain a fair share of their wages. The same will apply to these French businessmen. They'll either remotely manage their businesses from another country or move their operations elsewhere.
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Posts: 1,537October 2012AndyForsyth said:bluebrother06 said:
That sort of taxation is blatent theft, Hows this for a novel idea - cut benefits, sure some may have to give up their 20 a day smoking habit and get rid of sky TV, hell some people may even have to go out and get a job, and some, heaven forbid, may have to think twice about breeding and expecting the tax payer to keep them in nappies!
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Which is not as easy as it sounds......-----------------
It bloody is. There are thousands of jobs which can be done but people are too content "earning" £20kpa by sitting on their _arse to actually do the manual labour to earn it. In some cases, people earn so much from benefit that they would lose money by taking a job. As said before, there are thousands of jobs available but people don't want to do them. As a result, immigrants take them and the natives who don't, blame the immigrants for stealing them. While I am opposed to the mass-immigration we have today it is only a result of people who can't be bothered to work for a living. Benefits was the worst idea ever and, surprise surprise, it was invented by Liberals.
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Posts: 1,430October 2012"people earn so much from benefit that they would lose money by taking a job"thats not because they earn so much from benefit its because they earn so little by taking a job.only a fool would work for poverty wages, and a lot of fools do so.they sell their lives and their families to wage slavery for a pathetic wage that barely covers their bills.JOB = JUST OVER BROKE.pay people a decent wage not a wage slaves pittance.and on the subject of welfare it would be interesting to know how much uk companies receive in subsidies from the taxpayer.i doubt if any figures are easily obtainable, they are made as hard to find as possible to prevent the taxpayer from finding out how much they are paying to big business."Factcheck: Does the taxpayer subsidise the rail network more now ...fullfact.org/.../taxpayer_subsidy_train_network_nationalisation-33919 Mar 2012 – One expert claims Government subsidy is in fact higher now than it once was. ... is much greater today than it was before the dissolution of British Rail. ... of money that Network Rail can receive from the government over a five year period. ... Thesubsidy is also passed on to the Train Operating Companies, ...23 Sep 2012 – Subsidies for new nuclear power could add £70 to annual household... level, EDFwill receive 'top-up' subsidies paid for through levies on all UK electricity consumers. EDF has so far refused to say how much the plants will cost or the level of subsidy it will seek, ... Osborne vows to 'watch oil companies like a hawk' .Fossil fuel companies get $400-500bn subsidies per year. This must ...www.eaem.co.uk/.../fossil-fuel-companies-get-400-500bn-subsidies-...5 May 2012 – Fossil fuel companies get $400-500bn subsidies per year. This must end."it seems that big business has no objection to receiving welfare payments!
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Posts: 2,547October 2012Jxg said:
It bloody is. There are thousands of jobs which can be done but people are too content "earning" £20kpa by sitting on their _arse to actually do the manual labour to earn it. In some cases, people earn so much from benefit that they would lose money by taking a job. As said before, there are thousands of jobs available but people don't want to do them. As a result, immigrants take them and the natives who don't, blame the immigrants for stealing them. While I am opposed to the mass-immigration we have today it is only a result of people who can't be bothered to work for a living. Benefits was the worst idea ever and, surprise surprise, it was invented by Liberals.
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Well tell me then, having applied for several jobs myself, why I haven't got a job??? I'm desperate for a job, so very desperate to get working and get myself off the benefits system, but nobody will hire me, despite the fact that I do have a degree, and many other skills.
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Posts: 24,745October 2012AndyForsyth said:
the fact that I do have a degree, and many other skills.
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Posts: 2,547October 2012sambo applecart said:
like sinking a pint in about 4 seconds flat
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At this rate, that wouldn't even get me a job as the town drunk mate! I'm too old for that ;) -
Posts: 1,803October 2012Knoxy2001e said:
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I agree with a lot of what you say but there's a certain merit in getting up in the morning & doing something constructive with your day, no matter what. Sitting at home watching daytime TV & waiting for the dole payment wouldn't cut it for me.
And I suspect it's not doing much for most of them either.
The argument against big business I would suspect is the furthest thing on their minds.
My grandfather got up at 4 a.m. to keep the food on the table. If he was alive today I've no doubt he wouldn't be on the dole.
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Posts: 24October 2012 So the government in France raises taxes on businesses. Do you suppose the businesses are now going to sit back and learn to operate with lower margins and lower profits? OR do you think there's a chance they may still want to make their payroll and therefore they will raise the cost of their goods or services to cover the lost profits, making the average person pay higher prices for their needs...without higher wages because those wage dollars are now going to the government in the form of a higher tax.Since we're on this board, let's look at it as if it was happening to Everton. Let's say the government put in place a special tax on football teams/players. They have to pay an extra 10% tax. So the government earns 10% more off of Everton. But Everton are operating at a certain level of income. Wages are set based on it. So that 10% MUST be re-couped from somewhere. Do you suppose the players will say "Cut my salary by 10%!!!" Do you think the coaches will say "Cut my salary by 10%!!" OR do you suppose they will raise ticket prices and raise the cost of merchandise, passing along the burden of that tax to the average guy who makes average wages.And since I've typed this much, I might as well say...let's suppose Spain decided not to tax the football teams/players at such a high rate. Now put yourself in most players (or managers) shoes (try to set aside your love for this club)...Everton offers you X for a salary, but Getafe says they'll match that (and you, the player don't have that extra tax. Neither does the club.)...where do you choose to work? Who ends up better off?I suggest the "tax the rich" concept works in theory, but not in reality.
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Posts: 7October 2012 People sitting and spending their whole life on benefits are whats costing this country. fair enough there are some that want to work but struggle to find something, but there are plenty of jobs available even if it means working in tesco stacking shelves. why should someone receive benefits for no work? they should be made to do community service for their benefits, clean the streets and tidy public spaces. im an employer and everytime we advertise for a job we get about 30 people asking for an application form and only 3-4 genuine replies. And why should people who earn a higher wage be expected to pay tax at a higher rate?? 20% of £50,000 is more than 20% of £10,000 so higher rate earners already pay more tax than lower earners.
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Posts: 1,537October 2012AndyForsyth said:
9:57AM
Jxg said:It
bloody is. There are thousands of jobs which can be done but people are
too content "earning" £20kpa by sitting on their _arse to actually do
the manual labour to earn it. In some cases, people earn so much from
benefit that they would lose money by taking a job. As said before,
there are thousands of jobs available but people don't want to do them.
As a result, immigrants take them and the natives who don't, blame the
immigrants for stealing them. While I am opposed to the mass-immigration
we have today it is only a result of people who can't be bothered to
work for a living. Benefits was the worst idea ever and, surprise
surprise, it was invented by Liberals.-----------------
Well tell me then, having applied for
several jobs myself, why I haven't got a job??? I'm desperate for a job,
so very desperate to get working and get myself off the benefits
system, but nobody will hire me, despite the fact that I do have a
degree, and many other skills.-----------------
Unfortunate. Hope it's resolved soon.
Unless I was to interview you, I wouldn't be able to tell you why you haven't got a job. I'm not going to say you lack the charisma as I've never spoken you to. Are you applying for every job in every area? Obviously you can't be getting a job in Scotland if you live in England but if you're only applying on a 5 mile radius it's narrowing it down. Also, if you're not applying for every job available that you can do than you're not trying hard enough. Just because it isn't paying £50kpa doesn't mean it's not good.
But hey, this is all obvious (and slightly patronising, apologies) stuff and I'm sure you know that. Maybe you're just unlucky.
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Posts: 1,537October 2012Knoxy2001e said:"people earn so much from benefit that they would lose money by taking a job"thats not because they earn so much from benefit its because they earn so little by taking a job.only a fool would work for poverty wages, and a lot of fools do so.they sell their lives and their families to wage slavery for a pathetic wage that barely covers their bills.JOB = JUST OVER BROKE.pay people a decent wage not a wage slaves pittance.and on the subject of welfare it would be interesting to know how much uk companies receive in subsidies from the taxpayer.i doubt if any figures are
easily obtainable, they are made as hard to find as possible to prevent
the taxpayer from finding out how much they are paying to big business."Factcheck: Does the taxpayer subsidise the rail network more now ...fullfact.org/.../taxpayer_subsidy_train_network_nationalisation-33919
Mar 2012 – One expert claims Government subsidy is in fact higher now
than it once was. ... is much greater today than it was before the
dissolution of British Rail. ... of money that Network Rail can receive
from the government over a five year period. ... Thesubsidy is also
passed on to the Train Operating Companies, ...23 Sep 2012 – Subsidies for
new nuclear power could add £70 to annual household... level, EDFwill
receive 'top-up' subsidies paid for through levies on all UK electricity
consumers. EDF has so far refused to say how much the plants will cost
or the level of subsidy it will seek, ... Osborne vows to 'watch oil
companies like a hawk' .Fossil fuel companies get $400-500bn subsidies per year. This must ...www.eaem.co.uk/.../fossil-fuel-companies-get-400-500bn-subsidies-...5 May 2012 – Fossil fuel companies get $400-500bn subsidies per year. This must end."it seems that big business has no objection to receiving welfare payments!-----------------
So to summarise; you're not satisfied about getting pay from a job that requires little skill. If anyone can do it then it isn't going to warrant a high pay. Just like football; they get paid so much because they are a minority that has specific skills that the majority lack. Basically, all you've said is that people would rather sit around and earn money doing nothing than earn less money working because they'd earn less money. Who wouldn't? That doesn't change the fact that anyone who willingly does that is the scum of the economy, taking needed benefit from those who need it more (such as the disabled). Minimum wage (something I thought you'd like, being a socialist commie and all) was brought into this country as a leftist Liberal policy to aid workers. The economy could not sustain paying everyone an extremely high wage; it would cause mass inflation over the entire world. Higher wages paid = companies raise prices to compensate = people no better off than before = people like you complain = high wages paid, ad infinitum.
As for what else you said, you seem to have not noticed the context of your quotes (as you have done a few times while foolishly trying to present evidence to back up your claims):
-"One expert claims" - One person claiming =/= A majority proving
-"Subsidies for new nuclear power could add £70" - Could =/= Will.
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Posts: 1,430October 2012"So to summarise; you're not satisfied about getting pay from a job that requires little skill."the points ive made do not refer to me. and no. that doesnt summarize anything that i wrote. in fact its merely a subterfuge for ignoring the points made. pathetic, but typical."If anyone can do it then it isn't going to warrant a high pay."what is 'high pay'? a vague, useless term to support a vague useless remark. and even unskilled workers and their families should get a decent living wage. they dont. by the way how do you feel about those who do little work of any kind and get millions for it?"Basically, all you've said is that people would rather sit around and earn money doing nothing than earn less money working because they'd earn less money."no i didnt. you are trying to rewrite my post and put your stupid prejudices into my mouth. forget it. it merely proves you dont have the intellect or the imagination to rebut any reasonable points that ive made. no surprise there."The economy could not sustain paying everyone an extremely high wage;"how do you know what the economy would sustain? and what is 'an 'extremely high wage?'. and where is that phrase in my post?if i ever want my posts rewriting i'll let you know. and writing your own vague, unsubstantiated opinions and implying that they are mine is so, stupid i would suggest that even a someone as ignorant as yourself must recognise its blatant dishonesty.but what else can you do?
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Posts: 2,547October 2012 (Quoting system still needs sorting!)Jxg:I'm not applying for a job in ALL areas (Of England, as you say, it's gonna be a tad difficult for me to get to Scotland and back haha) as I can only work within my means so it's about a 10-15 mile radius, possibly 20 I'm not sure. However, I'm not one of these who won't work for less than £50k a year, right now, I'll take what I can get if I'm honest. Obviously, the aspiration is to work on that sort of level but having never had a paid job in my life (I'm 25 by the way) then even a £10-15k a year job would be a good starting point. I'm happy to admit that on my current rate, I'm getting £4,800 a year on benefits which isn't bad but I'm not content on just staying on benefits, I want nothing more than to be working for a wage.
I'm a qualified Journalist, yet the Journalism industry is on its_arse so the next best thing is for me to apply for Marketing/Admin jobs, hell, I've even applied to the local Asda in no less than five positions, and was turned down for them all. The next thing would be to apply to McDonalds or KFC, but then, like the supermarkets, they don't want to hire someone with a degree as they'd probably have to pay them more than they would someone who's just come out of College or School.
The other battle I've got with employers (and this in theory isn't allowed but I can tell you now, it happens) is that, as someone with a disability, a lot of employers appear to be scared to hire someone with a disability, whether it's for fear of health and safety issues, or they're not sure of a person's skills and capabilities I don't know. It's wrong, but this is still happening.
And it's hard enough for people without a disability or impairment of some sort to get a job! The Government are saying they'll promote getting people off benefits and into work, good in theory, but in practice, it's not showing any signs of happening. -
Posts: 2,557October 2012 Andy,
I am not having a go at you and let me say from the outset that there is absolutely no way you should be considering McDonalds and if you have grounds to believe that other potential employers are discriminating against you on the grounds of your disability you should go after them, it's illegal ! But as you say you are a qualified journalist I have a cousin who is a successful journalist and has never been employed ! He works from home and is what is known as a free lance journalist ! He writes articles and sells them to papers/magazines anyone who wants to buy ! What is stopping you from doing this ? -
Posts: 665October 2012 never heard such scaremongering **** in my life. tax evasion is the worst kind of stealing. it is money that belongs to people who have earned it, most profits have been gained not from invention or development, but from already having cash, it is money that is excess of already agreed wages and excludes the needs of the general population. let them go their tax havens but if they do then remove their control of the people, ideas and work that actually creates their wealth and not some privileged scroungers who think what they do has more value than anyone else does just because its revolving around creation of their own wealth rather than the well being of everyone else. as for those 'made it on my own' liars you will only have to go back a little bit into history to find that you would be scrabbling round in the mud if it wasn't for some assistance to you or your parents from the state. do you think someone who devotes their life to areas of the economy to do with health or providing support for those who can't pay hasl less ambition, intelligence or creative ideas that someone who just thinks about themselves.
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Posts: 665October 2012 and lest not forget that if you make a mistake in life and you are working in a job to help others then you are thrown on scrap heap, if you are a banker supposedly moving money around for our benefit and you screw up so badly that the world goes into massive recession then you are guaranteed continuing in the privilege you grew up in. they can **** off to their tax havens and lets build a wall high enough that they cant get out
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Posts: 665October 2012AndyForsyth said:
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have done journalism myself and can only reccomend at the moment keeping your experience level up and do work you believe in. its cut throat even as a freelance, and worse at the moment. but its less depressiing doing features you believe in and look for publications even unpaid who believe in you and support you. if you are on disability benefits at moment and can get by its worth talking to your local Citizens Advice Bureau about how to at least recieve expenses for unpaid work. They would probably really appreciate your skills too, lots of crossover work in terms of advise work. If you can survive under current climate without full time job that demotivates you then would do it.
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