milky71 said:

The Prophet said:

milky71 said:

But i'm not using them as a reflection of thousands but as the few that i have witnessed.

You are using the "few" that you have witnessed as general of the BU, and you have done that many times in the past week I've been back.

There's a difference in saying the BU are [insert generic insult] and in saying you've had abuse from a couple of them on twitter.

You're too naturally antagonistic to see this, I know.

I feel you are trying to regain some manlyness but failing.

Try harder or leave.

Michael Barrymore said:

ToffeeCup said:

I'm not going to enter into the simplistic nature of entering into swiping generalisations bag you've been hawking around on this issue so far.

But I will say that you appear to be assuming I don't think there is much support for this. On the contrary, given the financial performance of Everton over recent years compared to that of perceivably lesser clubs. And the prevelance of a whole host of weird and wonderful (if ill conceived in my view) belief system around the world.

Its hard not to envisage there being an awful lot of support for this. But that doesn't make it right.

To be fair though, I'm very much in favour a bit of protest and dissent. Its just that those doing the shaping of this campaign, the reasoning, its aims and the manner in which it has been conducted. Its more than poor, and they are acting like complete idiots that they so clearly are. Thats what I'm disappointed with.



But its not that I don't think think there will be sizeable support for it though. As our planet has proved time and time again, we have no shortage of stupid people.

Weren't you part of fat lass and co's crew protesting abar the arl blueroom?

You were a right citizen smith if I remember right like

ToffeeCup said:

The Prophet said:

ToffeeCup said:

I'm not going to enter into the simplistic nature of entering into swiping generalisations bag you've been hawking around on this issue so far.

But I will say that you appear to be assuming I don't think there is much support for this. On the contrary, given the financial performance of Everton over recent years compared to that of perceivably lesser clubs. And the prevelance of a whole host of weird and wonderful (if ill conceived in my view) belief system around the world.

Its hard not to envisage there being an awful lot of support for this. But that doesn't make it right.

To be fair though, I'm very much in favour a bit of protest and dissent. Its just that those doing the shaping of this campaign, the reasoning, its aims and the manner in which it has been conducted. Its more than poor, and they are acting like complete idiots that they so clearly are. Thats what I'm disappointed with.



But its not that I don't think think there will be sizeable support for it though. As our planet has proved time and time again, we have no shortage of stupid people.

Hopefully you meant to say "I'm not going to *re-enter* the world of
swiping generalisations" because you sort of did, in your previous
comment. I'm glad you recognise the weakness there, though.



I agree with quite a bit of the rest of your post -- fair dues. Though
labelling thousands of our fans as "stupid" for having a different
perspective on moving forward, to me anyway, is cheap.



It's all about opinions isn't it? (it isn't... really.. that's just a cliche I use to end an awkward discussion)

No, I meant 'enter' as I posted. You've been banging on in a fairless tiresome way at a number of people (not me) with this generalisation point. I was pointing out that I've read enough of it not to bother with it thanks, and as Milky has pointed out. I wasn't generalising.

I also didn't label thousands of fans 'stupid' just because they had a different view point to me. If anything I labelled one or all of the 4,000 plus religions on this plant all claiming to be the one pure truth pretty stupid and that give that the Everton fan base is made up of the same population then the chances are that BU will substantial levels of support.

Clearly, you like to think you've being very clever but your points are appear to always fall so woefully short of the mark. I suspect, and not for the first time, that you and BU have much in common.

Except for the part where BU have a decent amount of support.

Beano said:

Michael Barrymore said:

Beano said:

Ya know what's gonna happen....20,000 supporters who usualy walk down that road on their way to their entrance are gonna be stuck there coz the road will be blocked - they'll have nothing to do with this protest.....but someone from TBU will take pictures, put them online, and boast about the 20,000 people who turned up to protest.

Well if you went the game you'd be able to form yer own take on the matter then pass your mighty judgement on here

I have my own take - why would I want to form another one - or why would I want to go and look at them and end up being one of those not playing any part in the protest but who allows myslef to appear to be?

Michael Barrymore said:

Beano said:

Michael Barrymore said:

Beano said:

Ya know what's gonna happen....20,000 supporters who usualy walk down that road on their way to their entrance are gonna be stuck there coz the road will be blocked - they'll have nothing to do with this protest.....but someone from TBU will take pictures, put them online, and boast about the 20,000 people who turned up to protest.

Well if you went the game you'd be able to form yer own take on the matter then pass your mighty judgement on here

I have my own take - why would I want to form another one - or why would I want to go and look at them and end up being one of those not playing any part in the protest but who allows myslef to appear to be?

well why don't you make your own tshirts with we love to be patronised with a big heart with bills head printed onto it?

you'll know then you're an unambitious wool

deso1957bc said:

"We have no shortage of stupid people"..T.C.

That's probably true,but in my experience they're found on both sides of an argument.

Can I ask you..forgetting about protests...is there a stage at which,even you,might harbour doubts about whether this club could operate..shall we say simply..more successfully? And if so will that most likely be:

When the club is relegated.
After a period of years of similar performance to what we have been enjoying
When the debt level coupled with continued non investment ensures extinction of the club

The Prophet said:

ToffeeCup said:

The Prophet said:

ToffeeCup said:

I'm not going to enter into the simplistic nature of entering into swiping generalisations bag you've been hawking around on this issue so far.

But I will say that you appear to be assuming I don't think there is much support for this. On the contrary, given the financial performance of Everton over recent years compared to that of perceivably lesser clubs. And the prevelance of a whole host of weird and wonderful (if ill conceived in my view) belief system around the world.

Its hard not to envisage there being an awful lot of support for this. But that doesn't make it right.

To be fair though, I'm very much in favour a bit of protest and dissent. Its just that those doing the shaping of this campaign, the reasoning, its aims and the manner in which it has been conducted. Its more than poor, and they are acting like complete idiots that they so clearly are. Thats what I'm disappointed with.



But its not that I don't think think there will be sizeable support for it though. As our planet has proved time and time again, we have no shortage of stupid people.

Hopefully you meant to say "I'm not going to *re-enter* the world of
swiping generalisations" because you sort of did, in your previous
comment. I'm glad you recognise the weakness there, though.



I agree with quite a bit of the rest of your post -- fair dues. Though
labelling thousands of our fans as "stupid" for having a different
perspective on moving forward, to me anyway, is cheap.



It's all about opinions isn't it? (it isn't... really.. that's just a cliche I use to end an awkward discussion)

No, I meant 'enter' as I posted. You've been banging on in a fairless tiresome way at a number of people (not me) with this generalisation point. I was pointing out that I've read enough of it not to bother with it thanks, and as Milky has pointed out. I wasn't generalising.

I also didn't label thousands of fans 'stupid' just because they had a different view point to me. If anything I labelled one or all of the 4,000 plus religions on this plant all claiming to be the one pure truth pretty stupid and that give that the Everton fan base is made up of the same population then the chances are that BU will substantial levels of support.

Clearly, you like to think you've being very clever but your points are appear to always fall so woefully short of the mark. I suspect, and not for the first time, that you and BU have much in common.

Except for the part where BU have a decent amount of support.

If you want me to stop "banging on" about generalisations -- stop doing it.

As for me and the BU having a lot in common. Look, if this place was full of Blue Union supporters calling non-BU Evertonian's idiots and halfwits I'd be having a go at them too... but it isn't is it? Though, it probably should be given that it's supposedly "THEM" causing the divide here (which I'm beginning to doubt).

It doesn't add up to me. Maybe you are causing the divide by your complete intolerance of those with a different view on moving forward?

Not that you'd ever entertain such a thought. As an independent here though, it's what I'm seeing. In your eyes it's probably easier to call me a BU agent provocateur....

ToffeeCup said:

deso1957bc said:

"We have no shortage of stupid people"..T.C.

That's probably true,but in my experience they're found on both sides of an argument.

Can I ask you..forgetting about protests...is there a stage at which,even you,might harbour doubts about whether this club could operate..shall we say simply..more successfully? And if so will that most likely be:

When the club is relegated.
After a period of years of similar performance to what we have been enjoying
When the debt level coupled with continued non investment ensures extinction of the club

You demanded a fairly lengthy reply from me yesterday Deso. I said at the time I can't really see the point in posting to you. You appear to be taking anything anyone says that isn't positive about BU as a personal insult.

I answered your post, read that.

I'm confident that you know how companies work, understand accounting regulations and basic financial terms. Knowing those things its obvious that BU are a bunch of halfwits acting as halfwits will do.


I'm not saying that they shouldn't protest, I'm not saying they have no reason to protest.

I'm just saying that while BU is operating the way it is it isn't going to do anything good...and will do a lot of damage. As KHL said the other day (not that I've ever quoted him before now) what are the chances of the EFC board ever meeting with a fan group again after this shower?




Fair enough and as they say... in the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king.

That much is true, but its the year 2011, contact lenses and optical surgery are common place, the premiership is a mental new footballing world/business, and high powered financial experts roam the planet and are available on a day rate.....I could not give a toss what a half blind, deaf and stupid bunch of monkeys has to say on this subject. And sadly, that is what they have gone out of their way to prove themselves to be, repeatedly.

ToffeeCup said:

deso1957bc said:

ToffeeCup said:

deso1957bc said:

"We have no shortage of stupid people"..T.C.

That's probably true,but in my experience they're found on both sides of an argument.

Can I ask you..forgetting about protests...is there a stage at which,even you,might harbour doubts about whether this club could operate..shall we say simply..more successfully? And if so will that most likely be:

When the club is relegated.
After a period of years of similar performance to what we have been enjoying
When the debt level coupled with continued non investment ensures extinction of the club

You demanded a fairly lengthy reply from me yesterday Deso. I said at the time I can't really see the point in posting to you. You appear to be taking anything anyone says that isn't positive about BU as a personal insult.

I answered your post, read that.

I'm confident that you know how companies work, understand accounting regulations and basic financial terms. Knowing those things its obvious that BU are a bunch of halfwits acting as halfwits will do.


I'm not saying that they shouldn't protest, I'm not saying they have no reason to protest.

I'm just saying that while BU is operating the way it is it isn't going to do anything good...and will do a lot of damage. As KHL said the other day (not that I've ever quoted him before now) what are the chances of the EFC board ever meeting with a fan group again after this shower?




Fair enough and as they say... in the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king.

That much is true, but its the year 2011, contact lenses and optical surgery are common place, the premiership is a mental new footballing world/business, and high powered financial experts roam the planet and are available on a day rate.....I could not give a toss what a half blind, deaf and stupid bunch of monkeys has to say on this subject. And sadly, that is what they have gone out of their way to prove themselves to be, repeatedly.

I'll take that as a "no" then.Thank you.

Take that any way you want Deso.

As I said last night, there is little point posted anything in your direction. But still I have, out of common courtesy.