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What to dofor our beloved club.
  • Jayee019
    Posts: 902
    The thing is to do it right you would need to purchase the whole club Or get the current shareholder to sign the same agreements the project have set for future movement.
  • AndyForsyth
    Posts: 2,516
    Jayee019 said:

    AndyForsyth said:

    Hmmm..... I've seen this idea somewhere before!



    Sunderland takeover perhaps?

    Where?



    Just sounds similar to something I'm working on mate...... So I agree with where you're coming from, and it can be achievable and very affordable too. Although not looking to buy the club of course.
  • Snowcone
    Posts: 6,753
    What happens in 5 years when the 200 Million has gone? Square one? 200k people putting the same amount of cash in? All of them will want to be on the board. Does the board get paid? What if we need loans from the bank in the future, what do we use as security? What if the shareholders need to sell  the club in the future? 200k people all wanting a slice? Its a ridiculous idea. Also, theres 30 odd thousand turn up at Goodison each week. Where the hell you gonna find 200k with a grand to waste?
  • Jayee019
    Posts: 902
    Snowcone said:

    What happens in 5 years when the 200 Million has gone? Square one? 200k people putting the same amount of cash in? All of them will want to be on the board. Does the board get paid? What if we need loans from the bank in the future, what do we use as security? What if the shareholders need to sell  the club in the future? 200k people all wanting a slice? Its a ridiculous idea. Also, theres 30 odd thousand turn up at Goodison each week. Where the hell you gonna find 200k with a grand to waste?



    Well first you get rid of the debt and find ways to turn a profit. Working capital. They would not all want to be on the board and EFC currently have quite a few shareholders. There is a differance in being on the board to being a shareholder. When you buy the club you would be working the total value of the club and splitting this over the number of share held. Thus in the futureif the club is sold this is shared over the shares equally. As a share holder you don't have to sell. If they chose to sell then the price of the share whould be valued and offered to the current owners of the club and after that new investor in to the group.

    Hopefully in the future if turning a profit then loans would not be needed. BK paid £40 million for his shares. Working in rough terms current shares bought at £2000 each would value the club at £74 million.

    If you think that a fans group taking over a football club then feel sorry for the fans of sunderland and Wimbledon.
  • Snowcone
    Posts: 6,753
    In order to turn a profit, you'd need to get into the CL, at least. That would mean investment in players, lots of them. In order to compete you are probably talking 180 million or so. Then, you will have to pay those players big money, 100 grand a week plus. Then, you will need to up ticket prices, a lot. We don't fill Goodison every week as it is and even when we were winning championships and it was 3 quid to stand up we were never filling Goodison. So after you've done all this and we get two years further down the line, we have no money to spend so we go to our share holders. Right lads, need another grand off yers. Bear in mind as well, what if all 200k want to come to the game on the same day? Where would they all sit? Where you finding them from in the first place. 

    Cloud Cuckoo  land this is.
  • Jayee019
    Posts: 902
    You don't need to be in the CL. And what else is there after that. AT LEAST??? If you look at the records getting rid of the overdraft and loan fees would tun the club in to profit IN CURRENT STATE.

    I can not say in five years time and yeah your right on the share holder front. If it gets that far it will have to be discussed and managed accordingly.

    if you think it is Cloud Cuckoo land then why post and put so many negative vibes in the discussion? I opened the thread for positive comments yes we know the probelsm and that is why we are discussing this matter and looking in to this. I am trying to do some thing positive for the club just putting my odeas out there. Surley it is better than siting on my *** slating the current board and players and manager etc.
  • Snowcone
    Posts: 6,753
    Yes it is and as I stated earlier, some fans will have some good ideas. The club should try listening. Of course you need to be in the CL, whats the point in taking over if you aim to finish outside the top 4. We already manage that quite comfortably.

    I assumed you wanted on discussion on this matter, not simply people to crawl up yer back passage and saying how clever you were? You still haven't said where these 200k fans with a grand to spare are? Let me know when you find out. 
  • Jayee019
    Posts: 902
    You stated the only way to turn a profit was to be in the CL. Yes it is a great earner for a club but not a necessity. I want Everton to win everything of course and would like to build something for them to be able to achive this.

    Yes i do and the 200K people do not have to be Everton supporters. Just willing to invest in the fund. If the fund has a good and attractive portfolio and can show the positives in investing then there is every chance this could be a sucess. But a hella lot of work has to go in to ensuring that the structure is sound.

    No i don't want people to crawl up my back passage but i do want people to challenge me. But people that are open to discussion. You right there is a good shot this will not work and it will have to be put to bed. There are a lot of hurdles in the way, A hella lot. but we got to take one at a time.

    first i want everton to be safe. Secure. I do not want the current situation of having large loans, losing money ETC. After that come building a stong and competing team. I would personally throw £1000 which i can not afford at then moment to secure Everton as a club for the future. I hope there are more people out there that would. then it is just building it from there.

    We would not take any money or ask for money up front only when we would heav confirmed numbers and have discussed the buy out. if it failed then every thing could be returned as the investment would be into the fund and depicted as for the purchase of the club only.

    It might not even need 200k people as some might invest more then the £1000 so overall would reduce the total. But the return of one share per £1000 invested would be the same
  • Snowcone
    Posts: 6,753
    Would it run at a profit with ten players on 100k a week each? Or, do we keep our current wage structure, mediocre players and just keep finishing mid table? Again, whats the point. We do that now. 

    Really can't see where you're going with this. 
  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 2,959


    Nowhere. Slowly.



  • patricklimcp
    Posts: 25
    The main problem is probaby BK and his team do not know how to market the club to a potential buyer. One of the main issue why the Qataris bought MAn City is because they can change man city into a club to match Man Utd so I cannot see why no one out there does not think of the idea of buying Everton will allow them to match the RS popularity around the world.
  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 2,959
    patricklimcp said:

    The main problem is probaby BK and his team do not know how to market the club to a potential buyer. One of the main issue why the Qataris bought MAn City is because they can change man city into a club to match Man Utd so I cannot see why no one out there does not think of the idea of buying Everton will allow them to match the RS popularity around the world.





    interesting first post.


    Lets take a look at what you've posted in two parts.


    First part: The main problem is probaby BK and his team do not know how to market the club to a potential buyer.


    Personally I think you've find that the multi millionaires that are the board of Everton FC know how to market a company in order to sell it. If you know any better, then I suggest you buy the club tomorrow and then sell it as a handsome profit. Afterall a man of your obvious intellect must be a billionaire at least.


    Second part:One of the main issue why the Qataris bought MAn City is because they
    can change man city into a club to match Man Utd so I cannot see why no
    one out there does not think of the idea of buying Everton will allow
    them to match the RS popularity around the world.


    I'm with you on the two team city from. This is an important part of the equation when buying a football team... and one where Newcastle certainly have the edge over many teams looking for a new owner!

    However, having to get planning permission for and then being able to afford a new stadium does put the mockers on things a touch. Particularly when comparing Everton to Man City as you have just there.



    In short, its prittyboys like you that make Blue Union what it is today.
  • The Prophet
    Posts: 75
    ToffeeCup said:

    patricklimcp said:

    The main problem is probaby BK and his team do not know how to market the club to a potential buyer. One of the main issue why the Qataris bought MAn City is because they can change man city into a club to match Man Utd so I cannot see why no one out there does not think of the idea of buying Everton will allow them to match the RS popularity around the world.





    interesting first post.


    Lets take a look at what you've posted in two parts.


    First part: The main problem is probaby BK and his team do not know how to market the club to a potential buyer.


    Personally I think you've find that the multi millionaires that are the board of Everton FC know how to market a company in order to sell it. If you know any better, then I suggest you buy the club tomorrow and then sell it as a handsome profit. Afterall a man of your obvious intellect must be a billionaire at least.


    Second part:One of the main issue why the Qataris bought MAn City is because they
    can change man city into a club to match Man Utd so I cannot see why no
    one out there does not think of the idea of buying Everton will allow
    them to match the RS popularity around the world.


    I'm with you on the two team city from. This is an important part of the equation when buying a football team... and one where Newcastle certainly have the edge over many teams looking for a new owner!

    However, having to get planning permission for and then being able to afford a new stadium does put the mockers on things a touch. Particularly when comparing Everton to Man City as you have just there.



    In short, its prittyboys like you that make Blue Union what it is today.


    Offensive.
  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 2,959
    The Prophet said:

    ToffeeCup said:

    patricklimcp said:

    The main problem is probaby BK and his team do not know how to market the club to a potential buyer. One of the main issue why the Qataris bought MAn City is because they can change man city into a club to match Man Utd so I cannot see why no one out there does not think of the idea of buying Everton will allow them to match the RS popularity around the world.





    interesting first post.


    Lets take a look at what you've posted in two parts.


    First part: The main problem is probaby BK and his team do not know how to market the club to a potential buyer.


    Personally I think you've find that the multi millionaires that are the board of Everton FC know how to market a company in order to sell it. If you know any better, then I suggest you buy the club tomorrow and then sell it as a handsome profit. Afterall a man of your obvious intellect must be a billionaire at least.


    Second part:One of the main issue why the Qataris bought MAn City is because they
    can change man city into a club to match Man Utd so I cannot see why no
    one out there does not think of the idea of buying Everton will allow
    them to match the RS popularity around the world.


    I'm with you on the two team city from. This is an important part of the equation when buying a football team... and one where Newcastle certainly have the edge over many teams looking for a new owner!

    However, having to get planning permission for and then being able to afford a new stadium does put the mockers on things a touch. Particularly when comparing Everton to Man City as you have just there.



    In short, its prittyboys like you that make Blue Union what it is today.


    Offensive.



    Truthful and sincere. Why not report me..I

    In fairness its not my fault the swear feature didn't catch that word, I was kind of banking on it.
  • The Prophet
    Posts: 75
    ToffeeCup said:

    The Prophet said:

    ToffeeCup said:

    patricklimcp said:

    The main problem is probaby BK and his team do not know how to market the club to a potential buyer. One of the main issue why the Qataris bought MAn City is because they can change man city into a club to match Man Utd so I cannot see why no one out there does not think of the idea of buying Everton will allow them to match the RS popularity around the world.





    interesting first post.


    Lets take a look at what you've posted in two parts.


    First part: The main problem is probaby BK and his team do not know how to market the club to a potential buyer.


    Personally I think you've find that the multi millionaires that are the board of Everton FC know how to market a company in order to sell it. If you know any better, then I suggest you buy the club tomorrow and then sell it as a handsome profit. Afterall a man of your obvious intellect must be a billionaire at least.


    Second part:One of the main issue why the Qataris bought MAn City is because they
    can change man city into a club to match Man Utd so I cannot see why no
    one out there does not think of the idea of buying Everton will allow
    them to match the RS popularity around the world.


    I'm with you on the two team city from. This is an important part of the equation when buying a football team... and one where Newcastle certainly have the edge over many teams looking for a new owner!

    However, having to get planning permission for and then being able to afford a new stadium does put the mockers on things a touch. Particularly when comparing Everton to Man City as you have just there.



    In short, its prittyboys like you that make Blue Union what it is today.


    Offensive.



    Truthful and sincere. Why not report me..I

    In fairness its not my fault the swear feature didn't catch that word, I was kind of banking on it.


    It's not big or clever to swear you know
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