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Blue Union Meeting
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Posts: 235September 2011 Has anyone got a link to the meeting, or transcript of what took place, just havnt seen anything about it yet
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Posts: 38September 2011 First post on the new blueroom. Information is here
http://www.sos1878.co.uk/everton-news/blue-union-statement-inaugural-meeting-a-resounding-success/
It would seem like Keioc Mk II to me with the election of Dave Kelly as the Chair. -
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Posts: 1,091September 2011 So anyone who has a different opinion is merely trying to deflect from real issues.. Nice.. Very dignified and respectful. No chance that anyone could have their own different opinion with any relevance then?
Used to have respect for these guys, didn't necessarily agree with their 'religion' (which is not Everton but a zealous anti-Kenwright order) but I had respect.. Just lost that reading the above.
Nice use of the thanks to the REAL Evertonians as well..
The more I read from these guys, the less they represent me as a fan and just seem to be a crusade to get rid of Kenwright.
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Posts: 235September 2011IhateRS said:
So anyone who has a different opinion is merely trying to deflect from real issues.. Nice.. Very dignified and respectful. No chance that anyone could have their own different opinion with any relevance then?
Used to have respect for these guys, didn't necessarily agree with their 'religion' (which is not Everton but a zealous anti-Kenwright order) but I had respect.. Just lost that reading the above.
Nice use of the thanks to the REAL Evertonians as well..
The more I read from these guys, the less they represent me as a fan and just seem to be a crusade to get rid of Kenwright.
I know, I didnt like the 'REAL Evertonians' quote aswell, who do some ppl think they are that they can say if you dont come to this or donate this, or beleive what we beleive your not a real Evertonian, its just an idiotic thing to say, I know ppl who have went the match all there lives and had season tickets an there in there 60s-70s who are more concerned about Everton and the team than donating to some fan group, lost respect from me with that I have to admit
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Posts: 2,523September 2011 I must admit, the use of 'Real Evertonians' shouldn't be bandied about by anyone, who's to say who's a real Evertonian and who isn't......
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Posts: 65September 2011 so 1.7% of the average home gate turn up to a meeting and it a "roaring succes" ....
the other 98.3% aren't real evertonians....
the national media coverage was "all there"...yet not a mention anywhere that i've seen or heard !!
local press never bothered...says it all.....
I'm not against groups forming to do the right thing...yet i still haven't seen/heard what this group hopes to achieve..there's no "formal objectives"...if it's to out BK then say so...if it's to out the board then say so...
all i've heard is that they say the club..... is poorly managed..but offer no solutions...
want better communication from the club..yet do the underhanded thing with the tape..(not raking old coals)
whilst wanting better communication from the club...qoute everything that we all know...how ddid they hear these things ? (get the point)
want improved communications yet isolate the very people they want to better communicate with..
and inadvertently "split the fanbase"...
my suggestion to this group would be..
if they really wish todo something then be constructive...build bridges with the club and the fanbase..and go forward from a position of strenght rather than a position of "perceived antagonaism"... -
Posts: 8,784September 2011 They will never get an audience with the club again unless it's in court.
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Posts: 65September 2011milky71 said:
They will never get an audience with the club again unless it's in court.
and i'd suggest..certainly not whilst they are organising protests against the very people they wish to "communicate with" -
Posts: 8,784September 2011 It would appear most of the comments are aginst the Blue union on the Forum that helped set the Blue Union up.
They seem to be disgruntling the very fans they say they stand up for.
I have no problems with people airing their views but it has to be done properly. -
Posts: 65September 2011 agreed and through the right medium...
they also seem (IMO) to be isolating he fans who agree with their doctrine against the fans who dont.... -
Posts: 235September 2011the parkendkid said:
agreed and through the right medium...
they also seem (IMO) to be isolating he fans who agree with their doctrine against the fans who dont....
Exactley waht I thought, they have an attitude of if your not with us then your against us, which is never helpful
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Posts: 120September 2011 Evertonians for Change tried communication and got nowhere. I don't think their aim is to communicate with the current board anymore after the BU meeting, because any suggestions about interim boards etc were dismissed out of hand proving the board to be incompetent. Especially when they said the current solution to finding a buyer, were conned by a man living in a flat in manchester!
The BU meeting pushed all the doubters over the edge forcing this outcome. -
Posts: 65September 2011 or more a case of assuming SB
if your not with us then you MUST BE AGAINST US...
which is even more dangerous... -
Posts: 65September 2011bluedayz said:
Evertonians for Change tried communication and got nowhere. I don't think their aim is to communicate with the current board anymore after the BU meeting, because any suggestions about interim boards etc were dismissed out of hand proving the board to be incompetent. Especially when they said the current solution to finding a buyer, were conned by a man living in a flat in manchester!
The BU meeting pushed all the doubters over the edge forcing this outcome.
how doeas a suggestion of an interim board being rejected prove this board s incompeence ?
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Posts: 3,253September 2011 Fortunately I taped the meeting and you can hear it all here..
www.lookatmeimbeingarealevertoniannotlikeyou.com
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Posts: 65September 20111ceablue said:
Fortunately I taped the meeting and you can hear it all here..
www.lookatmeimbeingarealevertoniannotlikeyou.com
you might of taped it.... but obviously all the tv media "WHO ATTENDED" didn't
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Posts: 120September 2011the parkendkid said:bluedayz said:
Evertonians for Change tried communication and got nowhere. I don't think their aim is to communicate with the current board anymore after the BU meeting, because any suggestions about interim boards etc were dismissed out of hand proving the board to be incompetent. Especially when they said the current solution to finding a buyer, were conned by a man living in a flat in manchester!
The BU meeting pushed all the doubters over the edge forcing this outcome.
how doeas a suggestion of an interim board being rejected prove this board s incompeence ?
Did you read my post then or just pick that bit out? If you had read it you'll of noticed I said suggestions of an interim board ETC.
So back to your question... It's obvious the policy they have in place to sell the club currently is not working. Not only have we not been sold after being on the market now for apparently many years, we were conned by a man in manchester. It's not rocket science that we need a different policy put in place and an interim board has been proven successful so why does bk reject this out of hand?
Why would he not allow the one question of how much is the club valued at by the board? All this proves one of three things... either the board are incompetent, they are blind to the problems they have created at the club or they have an alterior motive that is not in the best interest of the club. Do you have any other suggestions?
Let me just remind you, it was bk who said what he did in that meeting. No one twisted his arm to say what he did. It's common sense they were going to speak about the meeting otherwise what the point in having a meeting with supporter groups? More proof of the incompetent chairman we have. -
Posts: 65September 2011 No i read all your post and the main point came out that the board..in your opinion was incompetent..the reason you gave was that they rejected the interim board suggestion..
you have now added more statements to your comment to validate the point you were trying to make...
I cant and wont even attempt to second guess what the chairman thinks as you do so often....so cant answer the value of the club question...for me personally if i was in his place i'd have done the same....so to me it proves the clubs competence NOT incompetence as you state...(ou dont tell the other poker players the hand you're holding)
with regards to "the con man" stated..as i read it he stated this person as point of reference to prove the point of his (alone) diligence in an attempted fraudulent purchase of the club....this has subsequently been "spun" for the obvious reasons " as the boards so incompetent even a con man can buy the club"....take it as you may !!
IMO we have a financial situation to manage ie pay off the debt...the club are managing that situation as they see fit according to theoir duties as directors....most fans understandably dont agree with how they are doing as they wish to see player purchases..however ask most fans if they would wish to see player purchases to the demise of the club...and i beleive they'd unanimously say NO.....is that board incompetence ?
I whole heartedly agree to your final point re BK agreeing to the meetinga and even knowing it would be repeated...however what i and most people dont know is the agreement under which the meeting was "permitted"..we only have the 3 attendees word on that..and whithout besmirching their character......they lost most of the respect of the fanbase by "underhandedly" taping it....the back argument being why didn't they tell kenwright they WERE taping it ?
But for me that seems to be the main problem here...people are always looking to put a negative spin on anything the club does..and IMO it isn't helping....
everyone wants to ask questions....everyone wants answers...
some questions cant be answered in public though !!... and IMO...their needs to exist a modicum of respect by both "parties" to both "parties".... -
Posts: 120September 2011 Again you miss the point.... ETC... I didn't at no point say it was for this reason only, I merely used it as an example! Keep up.
I have an opinion and I do not need to validate it.... an opinion can not be validated, just for your information! It can be explained.
Where in my comments did I guess what the chairman was thinking please? I have offered numerous opinions as to why I think the club don't want to reveal it contradicting your accusation.
If your selling something, it's generally not a good idea to withhold the value. Poker players? Are you suggesting it is a game selling the club? A competition in itself? What other poker players do you need to keep this information from?
Getting to the point of diligence to reveal a con man is not good enough for a multi million pound company really is it.
As a fan of course I want to see the club strengthened! Especially when every other compettior of ours has done so.
Should it be at the demise of the club? No it shouldn't but whose fault is that? Not any of the fans thats for sure. Ironically, by not strengthening one could suggest that is also at the demise of the club could they not?
The club threatened legal action against the BU members then quickly withdrew it. Do you not think that suggest they done nothing wrong? I don't know the exacts around the taping of the meeting, I only go with what is reported but if they did record it they most definately weren't told they couldn't tape it or they would have a legit courtcase on their heads.
We have reasons to put negative spin on what the club does, past failures are the biggest culprit, not including the lies and stopping of communication with fans.
The board stopped respecting the fans the day they stopped the AGMs.
So for what reasons do you have for putting a positive spin on the board?? -
Posts: 8,784September 2011 A few quick points
1, The club weren't conned by a man in Manchester. The person who brought him forward was conned the club during due diligence unmasked him.
2. The club never threatened legal action. They sought legal advise and decided not to pursue it.
3. Are the Blue union aware of the negatitivity they are causing around the club.
The club have dramatically reduced the debt and wage bill.
The club have brought in new exciting players.
Yet the Blue Union still want to have a protest about what i'm not sure.
But come Saturday when the few REAL EVERTONIANS hold their Protest i hope the thousands of unreal Everton fans who are against them will (as i aimagine) ignore then.
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