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Why don't the majority of clubs form a breakaway league?
  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,424
    Why not? You can only win the EPL Title if you can afford it. Why not a return to the Football Association for the majority of clubs. Form a British Prime League,  include a couple of scottish clubs, top championship clubs and create a league that is quality and competitive.

    "ASTON VILLA, BLACKBURN ROVERS, BOLTON WANDERERS, EVERTON, FULHAM, NEWCASTLE UNITED, NORWICH CITY, QPR, STOKE CITY, SUNDERLAND, SWANSEA CITY, TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR, WEST BROMWICH ALBION, WIGAN ATHLETIC, WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS. 

    Add the two Scottish Clubs to the list, make it a British League and maybe a couple from the Championship and you would have a league that would be more competitive and therefore more entertaining than the current EPL.

    Then see how long the EPL lasts with just ARSENAL, CHELSEA, LFC, MANCHESTER CITY, MANCHESTER UNITED, and any other wannabe with delusions of grandeur.

    The "English" Premier League is now dominated by a few clubs that are owned by foreigners. The top players are often foreign as are many of the managers.

    Is the team that you support one of them? And if so, have you ever asked, 'why do I still support them'? Many of us grew up supporting our local team. I know that I did. But are our teams still "Local" teams?

    If you look at some EPL clubs the only thing "English" about them is their geographical location. Now I'm not a nationalist or a little Englander, I've got no time for that rubbish, but as I said, I grew up supporting my local team, and fortunately my club, EVERTON,  still is a local team that I can identify with and support.

    We have some great foreign players, no problem with that, but I think their number should be limited to only 5 on the field. We have a local chairman who’s a big Everton fan. We also have a British manager and some great, local lads that have come thru the academy and turn out for us for us week in and week out.

    That's why I support my local side. I grew up supporting my local club, I'm now in my 60's, and I hope that it will stay my local club. But will it?

    I don’t have a high regard for the EPL because it has turned football into a business. Yes, I know it’s always been a business, but it used be a local business, not an American business, or a Middle Eastern, multi-national corporation. 

    Football was never some inter-continental investment.

    The EPL isn’t just football, its turned football into Football Inc., and it’s changed the nature of the English game, and not for the better as far as I'm concerned.


  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    I think mate, its about time football started heading in this direction, for the good of the game more than anything. Cos at the moment money is killing the enjoyment for the vast majority of fans.
  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,424
    " money is killing the enjoyment "

    I think its done more than that. its killed the competition. and no sport is any use without competition.

    will it kill football if it carries on like this?
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    IMO, it isnt a million miles a way......cos the more (if it can be killed anymore) the competition is killed, the less interested people are going to become in the game.
  • Probus
    Posts: 414
    With a more permanent European League with all the big european clubs it will happen. But the interest in the national leagues will decrease. But then PL will be a second rated league, so the internaltional interest will decreas and with that the income to the clubs. Everton would then compete to win a league where they will know that if they win they will not be the best club in England.

    I prefer a national league with all the clubs but that the rules concerning outside investment is regulated. Then competition will be on more equal terms.
  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,424
    "With a more permanent European League with all the big european clubs it will happen. But the interest in the national leagues will decrease."

    I disagree. fans are not interested in a european league. and the clubs may well have second thoughts.

    1st: how can fans support clubs in a european league. away games would cost a fortune to attend with, not just gate fees, but airline tickets and hotel charges.

    2nd: the above costs would also apply to clubs. the cost of playing the away matches would be huge for any participating club.

    and are the fans interested in arsenal vs borussia munchengladbach more than arsenal vs spurs or efc? i dont think that they are. and if they are not, the tv rights will be worthless.

    supporting your local club is at the heart of football all over the world.

    would you pay to see efc vs seville? or hamburg? i doubt it.

    a european league will only ever be a sideshow. extra cash for the big money clubs who can afford the players to get into it. meaningless to most clubs.

    the epl will eventually destroy clubs and competition. it is a cancer and the only way for the majority of clubs to survive it is to set up their own british league to protect all thats best about football.
  • 1ceablue
    Posts: 3,253
    Football is fckd. Most clubs are nearing bankruptcy and players wages are just killing the game. There is very little enjoyment in the game anymore, just more money, more sales of shirts, more transfers, more agents and chancers making a very good living off the backs of the fans.

    Now the clubs want fans in the far east etc etc and these people will rarely, if ever, get to see 'their' team play a competitive match or enjoy the atmosphere in and around the ground. What is the point apart from making money, they may as well 'follow' the fortunes of a bank and have shirts with 'standard chartered' on them, oh wait........

    I went to the rugby yesterday, great day out,good pubs and beer, great friendly crowd, families and kids, no Norwegians or Germans etc, just people who live locally watching their team. Even when they got beat, it didn't matter because the best side won.

    We are blessed within the UK with having the availability of seeing lots of team sports giving enjoyment. Football is in danger of forgetting why it exists and some football clubs have lost the plot completely. Scotland has shown us what happens when you only have two competing teams, the EPL currently has three.........

    .........excuse the ramblings but I am seriously hacked off with the state of football as it is becoming...........
  • Probus
    Posts: 414
    Knoxy2001e said:

    "With a more permanent European League with all the big european clubs it will happen. But the interest in the national leagues will decrease."


    I disagree. fans are not interested in a european league. and the clubs may well have second thoughts.

    1st: how can fans support clubs in a european league. away games would cost a fortune to attend with, not just gate fees, but airline tickets and hotel charges.

    2nd: the above costs would also apply to clubs. the cost of playing the away matches would be huge for any participating club.

    and are the fans interested in arsenal vs borussia munchengladbach more than arsenal vs spurs or efc? i dont think that they are. and if they are not, the tv rights will be worthless.

    supporting your local club is at the heart of football all over the world.

    would you pay to see efc vs seville? or hamburg? i doubt it.

    a european league will only ever be a sideshow. extra cash for the big money clubs who can afford the players to get into it. meaningless to most clubs.

    the epl will eventually destroy clubs and competition. it is a cancer and the only way for the majority of clubs to survive it is to set up their own british league to protect all thats best about football.


    1st: Most big clubs have many international fans. Many people would also come to see the games to see good football even if their teams are not playing. I do even think "many" games would be played on a neutral ground to broaden the fan base (even outside europe).

    2nd I don't think the extra costs for the clubs in terms of airticket and hotels would be a concern with the extra money they will get in terms of TV, advertisment and others.

    Are the fans interested? How big is the interest today in CL? Would you rather see Wigan vs Bolton or Milan vs Real Madrid?

    Yes, local support is the heart of football. But they are less important for the big clubs, the teams in CL today do have a big international following. Go to any pub outside europe when they are showing a CL game and you will see.
  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,424
    "they may as well 'follow' the fortunes of a bank and have shirts with 'standard chartered' on them, oh wait...."

    LOL!!!

    "1st: Most big clubs have many international fans."

    yes, but they dont buy many tickets.

    "with the extra money they will get in terms of TV, advertisment and others. "

    if the fans are interested, but are they? i live in the far east. the fans here of the clubs like arsenal etc, are not real fans. they really  like the EPL, but they arent that enthusiastic about the clubs. at least not to the same degree as fans in the uk. i dont think that enough revenue will be raised to pay for the huge costs involved, for comparatively few clubs competing. if the interest isnt there, and i dont think it really is outside of the epl, the idea of a european league will die. i think it will always be a the jam rather than the bread and butter.

    'Would you rather see Wigan vs Bolton or Milan vs Real Madrid? '.

    wigan vs bolton, definitely. it has more relevance to us and to our league position. i just can't get excited about either milan or madrid. i think most fans prefer to watch their own teams and their own league rather than any  other. and in fact thats what they do. the epl is the worlds biggest and most popular league. it accounts for double the revenue of the second most popular.

    'Yes, local support is the heart of football. But they are less important for the big clubs,'

    no, they are not. the 'big' clubs have to play somebody. if they left to join a 'european league' they would be broke by the end of the first season. where would the epl be without all the clubs in it? if you had an epl of just six wealthy clubs would it be a decent competition? of course not. thats why a breakaway league would be good. he epl would die the death in a couple of years.

    'Go to any pub outside europe when they are showing a CL game and you will see.'

    the fans outside europe dont buy many tickets. and watching in pubs, rather than buying the game to watch from home, only proves how little they are interested. not how much.
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,293
    It's a nice romantic thought - but with the amount of debt that many PL clubs are in, it's a huge risk to leave the EPL - a risk that WOULD see many clubs including us fold - not only if it didn't pay off after some time - but if it didn't pay off instantly!
  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,424
    ' it's a huge risk to leave the EPL - a risk that WOULD see many clubs including us fold '

    clubs are already folding. others so deep in debt that it looks to be a matter of when, not if.

    and the epl competition is more like an auction than a football league. you dont win the epl, you buy it.
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,293
    Knoxy2001e said:

    ' it's a huge risk to leave the EPL - a risk that WOULD see many clubs including us fold '


    clubs are already folding. others so deep in debt that it looks to be a matter of when, not if.

    and the epl competition is more like an auction than a football league. you dont win the epl, you buy it.


    I don't care about OTHER clubs though! Just Everton! And if Everton are not one of those clubs whose bankrupcy is probably immininet (and I don't believe it is the case that our bankrupcy is immininent), then I think we're better off where we are and hope something comes along to help us in the end or that we can keep going as a club whose players are always worth more then our debts. We help form a breakaway league, fact is, our bankrupcy IMO then does become imminent!
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