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  • brett
    Posts: 665
    first post here and maybe not gonna be popular one. after a close season of listening to reports of everton players and manager definitely leaving I have started get frustrated at how we can get hold of decent reporting.
    I have had sneaky feeling for long time that there is something stranger than usual about the way certain moves in and out are being reported but since I heard the easily dismissed news about Owen definitely arriving at Goodison I feel its time to accept my paranoia may well have something to it.
    The three main talking points have been Baines and Moyes leaving and Owen arriving. None have had substance so cant have been inside info and seem to actually being pushed despite evidence they were definitely not happening.
    Baines and Moyes werent just rumoured to be leaving they were reported as about to sign. anyone checking info coming from any source would have found this to be nonsense. same now happening with Owen.
    Lazy journalism? that has been going on for years but the tone is usually less hysterical and more speculative and comes from one bad journalist not an entire station.
    tapping up? in all three cases stated there seems to be no interest from the buying clubs and no encouragement from the player, it normally doesnt drag on to this extent as well.
    One thing that is consistent is that the media pushing these 'about to happen' stories all have close links to bookmakers (skysports, talksports are the worst). Baines has been 1 to 5 most of season to join Man U, Owen now 1 to 7 to join us. both on skybet, the station the news first came from.This is a hell of a lot of misguided cash going on. moyes was also unbackable to go to Spurs despite an official statement saying it wasnt happening. It started with complete lie on twitter from a talksports jounalist. similar things have happened with sky reporters on twitter.seems like man u been looking at another left back for months, odd no-one got hold of that info.
    These are just the ones i am aware of as only really been following efc rumours.
    maybe paranoia but should supposedly unbiased media be this closely linked to betting when they can directly financially benefit from the stories.
  • blue32years
    Posts: 16,298
    Great first post and welcome mate.

    Been saying this for a long time. I genuinely feel someone is making a tidy little sum.
  • brett
    Posts: 665
    thanks. am aware it probably seems trivial to lot of people, especially as there maybe judgmental thing about anyone gambling in first place, but its still fraud if happening and it increases the number of people just inventing stories at expense of good journos. Not to mention that how far are we away from the kind of situation we have in Italy once this kind of atmosphere starts
  • brett
    Posts: 665
    also think the echo site getting more and more unreliable. have a look at the sponsor.
  • Smigone
    Posts: 2,754
    good point mate, quite a few people on here twigged this when the Moyes to spurs thing hit the headlines. it's a good barometer of b/s, if sky say you can't bet on it go the other way and say it won't happen.

    Welcome to the forum, keep an open mind and it's brilliant on here!
  • brett
    Posts: 665
    thanks for that. seems friendlier and more susssed than any other forums been on. yeah i had a bet on couple of other managers as soon as it happened, just didnt pick right one. seems similar pattern though, some journo linked to a site puts a 'truth' on twitter, media can then report it without any implication they have made it up. would be great have one station or paper not obsessed with money or the teams who have it.
  • brett
    Posts: 665
    their rumours don't even seem like intelligent guesses, understand how rumours have been made up by looking at a gap at the club and their finacial situation or statements made, but most of the ones that you see as definite don't even make any practical sense
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    I agree Brett, some one is making a tidy some and i made my feelings known a few months ago about it, the bookies are licking their lips as the media fuelled hype lures people into bets that are never going to happen. Its legalized fraud imo yet they keep getting away with it......
  • brett
    Posts: 665
    don't know enough about it but i suspect it is illegal, just very hard to prove. any initial lie can be buried in a mess of social media. am glad i am not going crazy and that other blues spotted it (clearly more sussed than other fans) but suppose question is who would pick it up from a position to report honestly about it.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    brett said:

    don't know enough about it but i suspect it is illegal, just very hard to prove. any initial lie can be buried in a mess of social media. am glad i am not going crazy and that other blues spotted it (clearly more sussed than other fans) but suppose question is who would pick it up from a position to report honestly about it.


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    there is nothing you can do about it mate, its there for all to see, and as we are basically hearding animals, people just follow the crowd, nobody is doing anything 'wrong' an idea is put out there and people then do what everyone else does and bet it as it seems the right thing to do.......its wrong to me and you, but legally nobody is doign anything wrong. Its a trick of the mind mate, nobody is beign forced into doing anything, they are doing it of their own accord and that's where the problem lies unfortunately......
  • brett
    Posts: 665
    i know the guy who posted initially from talksport twiiter account that Moyes was in meeting with Spurs was threatened with legal action. he took down but the non news was still reported by rest of talk sport from then on. it is still officially agianst law to say that you know something and dont qualify it as opinion. i did a course on libel, and suppose it would be up to a high profile character to actually say that something was reported as actually happening and was damaging their reputation. as you say not gonna be much sympathy with poor punters. my main worry is how far away from match fixing are we. a supporters group could take out a civil action to report conflict of interest in the media. thats probably dreamland though.
  • blueford77
    Posts: 538
    This is why i'll never bet on players transfering from 1 club to another it's all bulls**te really
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    The bigger the lie, the more likely that people will believe it......
  • Jacko93
    Posts: 166
    I know this happens, for a fact. I also know of people who have made plenty of money from laying off bets while promoting the possibility of it happening, while at the same time, rubbishing reports of the percieved favourites, and lumping on. Its a fact it happens mate, and twitter has just compounded it.

    There are a number of people wo have far more control over the movement in teh transfer window than they do over a result, first goalscorer, scorelines and the likes.
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